Free Will continued
Regarding my reblog earlier today about free will: I found the original dialogue between my apologist “friend” and me. It’s… long. But if you’re interested, enjoy!
Apologist: God hates things like rape and murder even more than we do..he has made a perfect creation called human and it is destroyed by others. What I meant to say is that the punishment for sin is the absence of God and nothing more. When we sin, we create a division between us and God. The really neat thing about God is that he hates this division so much that he sent His only son to take the punishment for us…the only thing we have to do is ask for his forgiveness and we can close that division once again as the price has already been paid. Now, going back to the gift of free will…this is where the problems come. Because He does not force us to follow him and we have free will, we have the ability to hurt Him and hurt one another if we seperate from God’s will for us. It is these people that have made the choice to move away from God that also make the choices to harm another one of God’s creations. It is these people that rape and murder others, not as a punishment for their sin, but because they chose to seperate from God and do their own thing. I believe that when we are seperated from God that we are also influenced by Satan, and he loves rape and muder and would try to stear us that way, but the decision is ours as a human with free will to do these horiffic things. The question then becomes, why does God allow these things to be carried out upon one of His creations? That is the part that is hard to understand and I don’t have the answer. I wish I knew why God makes the decisions he makes but I don’t. They key is to remember that God doesn’t do these things, man does. We cannot blame God for these things in the same way that I can’t blame you for things like allowing a baby to starve because you didn’t give every cent you had to stop world hunger. The question is, how can we allow things like this to go one…we are the monsters.
I hate things like rape and murder as much as you, and I would love to stop it, but I see what humans do when they have the choice. I simply cannot put my faith in humankind and must put my faith into someone greater that has promised to come and rid the world of sin.
And my response: First, substitute “Zeus” for every “God” and “Hades” for “Satan” in that huge paragraph you just wrote. Sounds a bit ridiculous, right? That’s how convincing those arguments are to an atheist.
If it helps you, great. But Christians blaming the suffering of others on humans and conveniently removing all blame from God is utter and pure bullshit. If a God created people knowing they would suffer so that we could step up and be good people, he is a fucking asshole.
And just to clarify, I believe humans are responsible for the evil things in this world. But humans, despite our shortcomings, have a proven and verifiable record of kindness, love, charity and goodness as well. I put my trust in us. ~JJ